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Many seem to borrow from HG Tiger Crane?
December 8, 2014
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Subitai
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I was browsing around some Taiji vids and I found this guy 

Dan Djurdjevic...

 

Just happened to notice he had a Tiger Crane form.  So what the heck, "lets take a look".   list=UU9Os0tBMTnMgefryMX0lueg

 

So, i'm not trying to hate on this guy per say, although that could be done easily...but he learned what he learned (http://www.chenpanling.com/) and some of his Taiji stuff seems ok.    

But my question is how much does everyone else notice the same old story of some teacher or organization learning a little bit of Hung Gar and then adding some other stuff onto it? 

Doesn't it seem that way to you guys?  

Really when you think about it...HG has influenced many families.

I guess my other question is if a person like this actually meets someone who knows HG and is given the details of what they are doing, Does he... or would he decide to alter his practice? 

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December 11, 2014
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To be honest I see very little Hung Gar influence there aside from a few moves at the start and the name of the set? I guess given the popularity and fame of the style and the Tiger Crane form, it's pretty much inevitable that it will creep into other places, almost like how pretty much everyone who teaches Chinese martial arts these days seems to know/teach a bit of Taijiquan too.

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December 13, 2014
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Very weird mix of Hung Ga, Bak Siu Lam, Taijiquan and who knows what. 

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December 13, 2014
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From the comments section....

Chen Pan Ling was a northerner.  If you look at the movements you'll see that while this form shares some similarities with its southern counterparts, it is manifestly a northern form.  My guess is that hung gar and other tiger crane are actually influenced by early northern systems rather than the other way around.  Chen Pan Ling obtained all his knowledge in the north, especially under the auspices of the Nanjing Committee which was formed by the Nationalist government to preserve martial arts in the advance of the Japanese.  This has been preserved by his son in Taiwan (where CPL fled following the revolution).  I am not aware of CPL studying southern forms and certainly his own created forms (Feng quan) are based on a taizu/changquan template.

 

For what its worth, he has a blog that I like to read - makes some good points on the internal aspects of 'external' arts.

 

Don

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January 12, 2015
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Well, I don´t see much of hung gar in his performance, too. The horse stance is way too high and generally the techniques are performed without any power. The jumps look weird, too. But, I must admit that some techniques at least look correct even if the whole form reminds me more on tournament wushu or for demonstration purposes. In summary, more or less average demonstration and no real hung kuen influence sightable.

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With all respect, I don't like it at all.

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